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Slack log for Ark token's value proposition discussion 16-07-18

Please find below a log of the discussion we had in slack regarding the ark token's value proposition. Some of the community members who happen to be long term holders of ark feel that the ark token's value proposition isn't clearly communicated by the team so they asked about it. I'm posting the entire discussion it here to make a permanent record since slack wipes messages after a while.
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arigard [7:21 PM]
Hey team, so I'm curious. Is there any update on a new white paper at all that was being mentioned? I've been holding Ark since it hit Bittrex and I personally don't really have a clear idea about how the token is going to work in the overall picture, or what really the direction is for the project once v2 is out. It feels like things have gone a bit flat recently, are there any updates on direction and what the plan is once V2 is live? Is there any idea about when it might go live? Or how the Ark token will fit into the economy (will it be a gas?). I see a lot of other projects i'm invested in coming up with very clear roadmaps/dates and direction about what they want to be and I still personally feel Ark's message is a little confused and hard to read especially for people who are not coders/developers.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:22 PM]
the roadmap is on the site, arkdirectory.com/kits has nice presentations and other goodies
roks0n (deadlock) [7:23 PM]
@Matthew_DC mentioned a couple of days ago that he’s preparing several blog posts which should explain most of these @arigard
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:23 PM]
the Blog also goes into lots of v2 details
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:24 PM]
Hi everyone.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:24 PM]
Ark is Ark, not like Eth with gas, hence no gas.
Hey @Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) welcome back
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:24 PM]
Hey rob, hi Rok :slightly_smiling_face:
roks0n (deadlock) [7:25 PM]
Rob, I think he means how everything will be connected with ArkVM etc.
similar conversation as the one few days ago (edited)
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:25 PM]
It's been a while, but I was head on in the project, sorry for not showing more often.
arigard [7:25 PM]
Yeah my main question is really I still don't know what will give the actual Ark token value .
goldenpepe [7:25 PM]
we dont know how the arkvm will work
All we can do is wait
Doubled1c3 (ArkStickers.com) [7:26 PM]
uploaded and commented on this image: bucket.jpg
@Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe)
goldenpepe [7:26 PM]
We can make assumptions but that's all they'll be
roks0n (deadlock) [7:26 PM]
@arigard this was the discussion: https://arkecosystem.slack.com/archives/C2ABRLZB8/p1531422791000216
roks0n (deadlock)
definitely, I’m not blaming anyone :slightly_smiling_face: Was just curious if there were any developments in terms of the updated whitepaper because I was reading one of the threads on reddit from 6 months ago where it was mentioned you’re looking to hire someone write it up.
Posted in #generalJul 12th
arigard [7:26 PM]
And I kind of feel this is such a big elephant in the room for people in the long run.
roks0n (deadlock) [7:26 PM]
click on the link and read from that post on (edited)
arigard [7:26 PM]
ok
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:27 PM]
I saw that there has been some drawbacks with the V2 ?
(Not sure if it's exact, I only came a few times and seemed to understand it was so)
goldenpepe [7:28 PM]
There are just some incompatibilities between v1 and v2 in devnet
which is why devnet is currently down
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:28 PM]
ArkVM may be unnecessary as more modern approaches to handling contracts are available, one of the main issue is having them be distributed just like the tokens.
goldenpepe [7:28 PM]
There's a community run v2-only devnet though #devnet_unofficial
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:28 PM]
it's more like drawback with v1
arigard [7:30 PM]
I mean I've seen a lot of stuff in that discussion discussed over the past year and there still seems to be no concrete answers coming out and that is a bit of worry to me personally. It makes it look like the team doesn't even know. I think most that know of Ark understand it wants to create an easy way to deploy blockchains and work as a platform and have some inoperability options. But the fundamentals of how that work right now seems to be up in the air. In other projects I know what gives those tokens value, but in Ark I don't, so it's hard for me as an investor to really sell to someone else the benefits of the token when there is a big question mark still on it.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:33 PM]
do you know that Ark Deployer has been available for quite some time?
arigard [7:34 PM]
Yes, that doesn't really answer any questions though.
mak [7:34 PM]
Ark deployer helps the main chain's business case somehow?
arigard [7:35 PM]
What gives Ark token actual value? Like what is the reason people need to buy and hold the Ark token? That is my question.
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:36 PM]
@mak what you're saying is kinda like answering you can use a hammer when asked what a nail do.
arigard [7:36 PM]
You don't need to buy the Ark token to deploy a chain. You can just do it.
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:36 PM]
I mean, the Ark Deployer doesn't answer what's the Ark.
mak [7:36 PM]
@Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) my point was directed towards rob's comment. I think you misunderstood it.
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:37 PM]
@mak My bad then. I apologize.
Blockhunter [7:38 PM]
:boogieark9:
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:38 PM]
" I think most that know of Ark understand it wants to create an easy way to deploy blockchains and work as a platform and have some inoperability options. But the fundamentals of how that work right now seems to be up in the air."
This is why I wrote that.. there is no mystery of how that works. You are mistaken or uninformed.
arkenstone [7:38 PM]
That's the problem here because team is programming orientated but there hasn't been alot done on business aspect of the token and marketing investor point big view
mak [7:38 PM]
That only explains the value of the ark codebase not the blockchain though
arigard [7:38 PM]
I think you seem to be trying to turn the argument in a seperate direction.
It's a simple question.
What gives the Ark token value.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:39 PM]
The market does. It's on 19 different exchanges.
arigard [7:39 PM]
Seems like you are being unhelpfully obtuse. I'll rephrase.
roks0n (deadlock) [7:39 PM]
so one thing that is clear to me is interoperability using ACES, where ARK is used as a “middleman” between two different chains, so if there’s high volume between those chains, it means the volume of ark increases as well .. what I’d like to know is how things will work with arkvm and how it will all work with sidechains (on eth, all the side chains will basically link back to the main chain which will be the one responsible for security afaik?)
arigard [7:39 PM]
What gives the Ark token value in the Ark ecosystem.
Blockhunter [7:40 PM]
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arigard [7:40 PM]
Eth is a gas, Waves is a gas. Ark is... what?
mak [7:40 PM]
ACES can work with any chains though. Doesn't have to be ark main chain. So I guess tomorrow persona can become the settlement layer for the Ark ecosystem and there's no incentive to stop it from happening.
arigard [7:40 PM]
^
roks0n (deadlock) [7:41 PM]
Mak, correct but if there are already lots of chains connected between ARK, it will be more appealing to link it through ARK directly
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:41 PM]
As I understand it, ACES could be using any given blockchain as the middle man...
roks0n (deadlock) [7:41 PM]
it doesn’t mean that it can’t be copied tho
arigard [7:41 PM]
But there are no chains connected through Ark atm
That have any real value anyway
roks0n (deadlock) [7:41 PM]
eth and btc are
arigard [7:41 PM]
And they can be connected through any Ark clone.
bangomatic [7:41 PM]
I'd love to hear the Ark team chime in on this discussion
arigard [7:42 PM]
So anyone can come along and make another chain that can instantly overtake Ark at this present time if there isn't a failsafe reason for Ark to be the defacto currency.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:42 PM]
https://arkecosystem.slack.com/archives/C2ABRLZB8/p1531762883000422 you can't keep saying things like this as if they are true.
arigard
That have any real value anyway
Posted in #generalToday at 7:41 PM
Blockhunter [7:42 PM]
Interoperability to the moon
mak [7:42 PM]
"it will be more appealing to link it through ARK directly"
Currently Ark is the only mature chain because it's been around longer but the moment persona or some other bridge chain gets listed on an exchange that dynamic is no longer there. So why would you prefer Ark over persona when that happens. That's the question as far as I understand it. (edited)
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:43 PM]
Persona has other goals, not duplicating Ark goals
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:43 PM]
@bangomatic Hi!
arigard [7:43 PM]
What current sidechain of Ark has real value/position in the crypto market? Persona?
bangomatic [7:43 PM]
hey @Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe)!
mak [7:43 PM]
The blockchain as a transaction medium doesn't care about secondary goals.
It still has all the capabilities that Ark has.
Colby [7:43 PM]
What has value right now? :thinking_face:
rob [ Ark Labs ]
https://arkecosystem.slack.com/archives/C2ABRLZB8/p1531762883000422 you can't keep saying things like this as if they are true.
https://arkecosystem.slack.com/archives/C2ABRLZB8/p1531762883000422
Posted in #generalToday at 7:42 PM
arigard [7:43 PM]
Ark's ecosystem at present is not big enough to be a reason not to just take the tech and start your own.
To think otherwise is ludicrous.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:44 PM]
that's a fine opinion
Jarunik [7:44 PM]
it is harder than you think :slightly_smiling_face:
arigard [7:44 PM]
We aren't Eth with multi $100mn + start ups and even if we were, what's currently to stop one of those just overtaking Ark and leaving it behind?
Jarunik [7:45 PM]
i hope some ark clones get really sucessful to be honest :slightly_smiling_face:
Colby [7:45 PM]
Same here!
Jarunik
i hope some ark clones get really sucessful to be honest :slightly_smiling_face:
Posted in #generalToday at 7:45 PM
Blockhunter [7:45 PM]
HODL ROCKET TECHNOLOGY
mak [7:45 PM]
Same here but then there's no reason to hold Ark over something else
arigard [7:45 PM]
i hope so too if there is some reason for Ark to always be there at the top considering it's the Ark platform.
Colby [7:45 PM]
But the thing is that I am wondering, if ark clones get successful, what benefits does it give back to ark
Djenny Floro (Ark Tribe) [7:45 PM]
@Jarunik to create an ecosystem?
mak [7:45 PM]
Right now we have to consider Ark's value not the other bridge chains
arigard [7:45 PM]
But if there isn't a reason for Ark to exist at the top, why are we all holding it?
Colby [7:45 PM]
Haha I think we are all thinking the same :slightly_smiling_face:
arigard [7:45 PM]
It's a terrible business plan
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:46 PM]
the point of BridgeChains is to allow new projects with no access the market a path to them through Ark, and hence gain value.
Other blockchains connections are through ACES, such as BTC, LTC, ETH, and more coming..
Persona has a way to trade Ark <> Prs
arigard [7:47 PM]
What is to stop them from getting their own exchanges in the future and just using Ark as a stepping stone to becoming their own platform operator?
mak [7:47 PM]
Sure rob, but there's now 10 different projects doing the same and they are faster in development than the ark team is
arigard [7:47 PM]
^
Blockhunter [7:47 PM]
Ark is the Yoda of blockchain and they need a better catchphrase. Better than ark gives no dates or point click blockchain
arigard [7:48 PM]
This attitude seems horribly naive if this is the value proposition.
mak [7:48 PM]
All of us believe in the vision that Ark brought us but I personally am not sure if Ark is the best option to execute that vision in time
arigard [7:48 PM]
The issue is, we don't know what the value proposition is.
mak [7:48 PM]
Other projects seem much faster
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:48 PM]
if you are into speculation, which it seems you are, then on paper all of your projects with no code are better and have more value than Ark
arigard [7:48 PM]
That's not true at all. lol.
Matthew_DC [7:49 PM]
At the most base level, ARK is a common currency token that is essentially automatically compatible with every bridge chain that is built based on ARK and is optimized for transaction volume and throughput to avoid bloat of other mechanisms introduced by the other chains. That is at the most basic level. By holding the ARK token itself, you will be able to enact the functions of multiple bridged chains both issued by our team and others. You will also be able to utilize the ARK chain as a pegged token to many bridged chains but that process will be transparent to users as it will be done behind the scenes without the user needing to do any functions. To think that someone will fork the code and generate a more effective ARK main chain means you have no confidence in the ARK team as the primary developer of the technology itself. In this case, if we are not and someone pushes a better version of the network, then I would argue maybe they SHOULD be chosen. That is the point of a free and open market. Not to mention the potential for registering and providing snapshot hashes to the main ARK blockchain to provide added security measures to a bridge chain with lower security due to lower market share etc, those are just baseline reasons.
As I mentioned the other day, at face value, consider this. What brings value to Litecoin or Bitcoin or Doge? In essence, ARK is a more effective currency and base network than all of these aforementioned networks with all of the added benefits being added for additional use cases.
roks0n (deadlock) [7:50 PM]
will ark based chains be bridged via arkvm?
goldenpepe [7:50 PM]
They cant be
You'd need the VM on both sides
Matthew_DC [7:50 PM]
I am currently on a conference call and have a lot going on so I can't respond too much.
goldenpepe [7:50 PM]
You can use AIP11's new tx types to do a sort of escrow between chains though i think
mak [7:50 PM]
@Matthew_DC Are you saying that the bridgechains deployed by ark-deployer don't have the same features?
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:50 PM]
ArkVM is not for bridging chains
goldenpepe [7:51 PM]
It can be
Coinme [7:51 PM]
And ICO's that will join Ark in the future will use it for buying their token.
goldenpepe [7:51 PM]
But both chains will need to be running the VM
Matthew_DC [7:51 PM]
The ARK main chain will have specific methods of allowing token transfer and utilization between chains to include quasi-centralized methods through aces, decentralized aces based intermediary networks, Time locked transfers, among custom built smart contract like logic built into the core technology itself that doesn't make the network susceptible to the bloat and mis-utilization an vulnerabilities of full VM use.
goldenpepe [7:51 PM]
(which the main ark chain wont be)
mak [7:51 PM]
"ICO's that will join Ark in the future will use it for buying their token"
Or any other bridgechain that's listed on exchanges
@Matthew_DC So will all of the bridgechains, no? I could start an ACES node today for persona and it will have no difference from what you describe.
Matthew_DC [7:52 PM]
@mak no, we promised ARK would be open source and everything we build for the core ARK blockchain will be open source.
arigard [7:53 PM]
You can be open source and still protect your value..
Matthew_DC [7:54 PM]
The point of ARK from day 1 has been to create a better base layer blockchain technology and protocol for everyone everywhere to be able to use to create anything they can dream up.
The ARK token is a core payment layer for the ecosystem including any applications we build ourselves, sponsor, partner with, or support.
mak [7:54 PM]
It seems like the team's vision for Ark is as a software product only and there's no business plan for the main chain. Which is fine but it's not explained as such. (edited)
Blockhunter [7:55 PM]
Great to see such active discussions
goldenpepe [7:55 PM]
I think what Matt is trying to portray is this:
A single universal Ark Ecosystem wallet holding ARK that has a nice UI with a list of dapps in the ecosystem
You select a dapp
You send a tx from the wallet using Ark
----------------Everything below this line is transparent to the user-----------------
The Ark transaction has instructions in the smartbridge field
The Ark gets converted to dappCoin via an intermediary like ACES (trustful) or a trustless escrow smart contract
The intermediary received Ark and uses the dappCoin on the dapp chain to do whatever it is the user wanted to do using the instructions in the smartbridge field
The dappchain responds to the request to the intermediary
Intermediary sends an Ark tx with the results of the dapp computation/action in the smartbridge field
---------------Everything above this line is transparent to the user-------------------
After 8+ seconds, user's wallet shows them the result of their interaction with the dapp bridgechain
That's where the value of Ark will come from
The Ark coin will be a universal "omni-coin"
Matthew_DC [7:56 PM]
:this: This
goldenpepe [7:56 PM]
That will instantly shapeshift into bridgechain coins to interact with the bridgechain dapp
mak [7:58 PM]
I understand what your point is and I agree it will work but only as long as none of the bridge chains are on an exchange
when for example persona gets listed on binance the scenario changes
and now either chain can become the backbone of the ark ecosystem
arigard [7:58 PM]
Yes. We see that. But hypothetically what is to stop a bridged Ark chain from becoming bigger than Ark and then going on to become that gateway? At this point it just seems to be hopium that the Ark network will always be the one people look to. But in one year, or two, or five, it might not be the case. What is to stop Ark being just sidelined if another team come along with develop on what Ark has built and propel it forward and take the mantle?
goldenpepe [7:58 PM]
What you say will be a problem only if the utility of the dapp coin is greater than the utility of the ark omnicoin
Would you rather hold a coin that can do one thing and is forever tied to a single chain
arigard [7:59 PM]
But in other crypto's an app becoming sucessfull is a benefit. In Ark's network it could be a negative.
goldenpepe [7:59 PM]
Or would you rather hold a coin that can interact with that single chain and 3232523432 others
arigard [7:59 PM]
But why can't another coin become an omnicoin?
If there are no limitations against it
goldenpepe [7:59 PM]
Why can't another coin become ethereum?
mak [7:59 PM]
"What you say will be a problem only if the utility of the dapp coin is greater than the utility of the ark omnicoin"
Or if it gives out better staking returns etc like persona because of higher inflation rate
goldenpepe [7:59 PM]
if there are no limitations against it
You can literally go on AWS right now and deploy an ethereum clone chain
arigard [7:59 PM]
It can, but an ETH token can't oust ETH
That's the difference. We are giving people an easy route here.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [7:59 PM]
do you often think your children should not surpass you? Or is that the hope?
Matthew_DC [8:00 PM]
Well it's about security, trust, potential vulnerabilities due to added functionality, the ability of the bridgechain team to create interactions and focus on use cases for their token outside of their core use, etc.
But that's the point of open and free markets
goldenpepe [8:00 PM]
There is a solution to your concern @arigard
Matthew_DC [8:00 PM]
What is to stop someone from being better than Bitcoin?
arigard [8:01 PM]
I think all these strawman arguments are fun, but they still aren't adressing the issuel
goldenpepe [8:01 PM]
Instead of having Ark Deployer literally cloning the ark codebase, have it be a turnkey solution to run a layer 2 chain
Matthew_DC [8:01 PM]
You could go fork Ethereum right now and have an exact copy of the capability of the main Eth chain.
goldenpepe [8:01 PM]
bridgechain dapps can be "colored coins"
that are forever tied to the main chain
arigard [8:01 PM]
Yeah but you wouldn't have those businesses on the chain.
goldenpepe [8:01 PM]
but that would introduce bloat
Matthew_DC [8:01 PM]
So you are saying the utility of Ethereum is adoption.
arigard [8:01 PM]
And those businesses won't have the potential to become the main ETH.
Matthew_DC [8:01 PM]
Which is the case for the value of any token.
goldenpepe [8:01 PM]
@arigard It sounds like you want ark to become Ethereum Plasma
arigard [8:02 PM]
I just want an answer.
Matthew_DC [8:02 PM]
How many companies are pulling their ERC20 tokens off of Ethereum because of the issues?
Colby [8:02 PM]
Yeah but correct me if im wrong
goldenpepe [8:02 PM]
There is no answer that will satisfy what you are asking
arigard [8:02 PM]
And i keep getting strawmanned.
Colby [8:02 PM]
Ethereum projects NEED eth for gas
Matthew_DC [8:02 PM]
We talk to people almost every day that are looking to leave Ethereum.
Colby [8:02 PM]
Ark is needed for?
arigard [8:02 PM]
^
Colby [8:02 PM]
This is all I am wondering, where does the ark coin fit into it
I love the idea
goldenpepe [8:02 PM]
@arigard You want ark-based coins to rely on Ark
The team wants the Ark chain to not be bloated
The solution to this is unironically ethereum plasma and sharding
Colby [8:02 PM]
but have been waiting for a while to know how the Ark coin will actually be used
goldenpepe [8:03 PM]
Shards in ethereum are basically "bridgechains"
arigard [8:03 PM]
Ok, and those teams might be big enough and clued up enough to eventually knock Ark from being the de facto omni coin. That's the worry.
If this is in fact the possibility.
Then it should be clear.
mak [8:03 PM]
"You could go fork Ethereum right now and have an exact copy of the capability of the main Eth chain."
@Matthew_DC Ethereum has value because all the dapps live on it which is not true for ark
arigard [8:03 PM]
Because as an investor it worries me, a lot.
I don't know where the value of Ark as an investment is 100% right now.
Jarunik [8:03 PM]
Ark is basically the inverse approach to Ethereum. Eth goes for big one-fits all first and tries to shard ... Ark is creating shards and then combines them
goldenpepe [8:03 PM]
There is no solution to what @arigard and @mak are saying right now
Literally no existing solution
Only proposals like sharding
arigard [8:04 PM]
And all this noise about defensiveness doesn't help. These are legit concerns.
Matthew_DC [8:04 PM]
When was it not clear that if a company comes along and builds a better more used product it could potentially take over market share?
That's how all free markets work.
You can't believe in open source and build and open source product without that risk.
arigard [8:04 PM]
But that isn't the same thing. Ark is literally building THE tools for people to then do that.
mak [8:04 PM]
@Matthew_DC Just to clarify I appreciate the work you guys are doing but I want to make an informed investment decision about holding the ark token
arigard [8:04 PM]
As a platform.
Jarunik [8:04 PM]
yes ... that is the idea how to grow
arigard [8:04 PM]
if you cloned Bitcoin back in the day you were a seperate currency.
Jarunik [8:04 PM]
provide good tools for others to create chains
arigard [8:04 PM]
This is a platform, its totally different.
And what we are discuswsing here is who runs that platform.
Matthew_DC [8:05 PM]
If someone launched an Ethereum chain right now and gained adoption there is a huge potential that all tokens decide to move their ERC20 tokens to the new chain and it becomes the new Ethereum and you have in essence lost all value because Ethereum is not capable of being used on the bridge chain as a currency.
ARK maintains it's value if for no other reason than the pegged value to any chain we personally create to include VM chain, token issuance chain, etc.
arigard [8:05 PM]
If it's built by Ark, does Ark always retain control? if not, why? What happens if Ark ends up building tools for a subsidary project that propels itself above them. Investors will just move to that coin.
Matthew_DC [8:05 PM]
Because it's an open decentralized system.
The problem is people don't actually believe in decentralization if it possibly harms their potential for monetary gain.
rob [ Ark Labs ] [8:06 PM]
we hope bridgechains get popular because that also means more for Ark in many ways.
arigard [8:06 PM]
You can be decentralized without being 100% altruistic. It's not mutually exclusive.
mak [8:06 PM]
@goldenpepe Since you guys claim that there's no solution for this how about I present one which @Matthew_DC can decide if it's useful or not. Make delegate voting for the ArkVM happen on the main chain. So anyone who wants to become a delegate for the VM needs to hold money on the main chain.
arigard [8:07 PM]
It just seems people are being dogmatic about this.
And if this isn't about investment. Why have an ICO?
Matthew_DC [8:07 PM]
Ethereum being the core chain for all ERC20 token based businesses centralizes the industry in a massive way. Not only is Ethereum itself centralized in the way it's mining structure was developed, but it also is centralized in that if the Ethereum network is compromised, thousands of companies assets and business are now compromised.
We don't believe that is the future.
mak [8:07 PM]
I'm not saying that this should be done for all sidechains. Just for the VM and it will be a special case.
Matthew_DC [8:07 PM]
We believe in a different business model.
That has been at the core of every description and explanation I have given from day 1.
arigard [8:07 PM]
Ok and that's fine, but my point is this should be made very clear if it's the case.
From the team officially.
goldenpepe [8:07 PM]
@mak now you're strawmanning me
Matthew_DC [8:07 PM]
Where is it not clear?
goldenpepe [8:08 PM]
I was addressing the fact that the idea that bridgechains shouldnt be independent and should be tied to Ark being in conflict with the Ark team's idea that the main chain should not be bloated with dapps
The only plausible solution to that right now
is Ethereum Plasma
Sharding
yokoama (thefoundry Delegate) [8:09 PM]
Sharting
mak [8:09 PM]
"We believe in a different business model."
I respect that. But it changes the ark's value proposition to just being a source of funding to the ark team and a means of speculation.
goldenpepe [8:09 PM]
Shards in ethereum are like bridgechains but the coins are all erc20s that rely on ethereum
Matthew_DC [8:09 PM]
People said ARK's DPoS mechanism would be a failure when we changed the voting structure because they said it wouldn't be secure enough. It has turned out to be massively secure compared to the centralized cartel run solutions of other DPoS chains. This is another fundamental issue where we believe we have a model that will work and will create value and thousands of use cases for the ARK token in a seamless way for the average user.
goldenpepe [8:09 PM]
and the shard blocks dont interfere or bloat up the "main" eth chain
mak [8:09 PM]
@goldenpepe I'm not suggesting deploying dapps on main chain. Just that the voting should take place there so there is always incentive to keep money on the main chain.
Matthew_DC [8:10 PM]
At no point did we say ARK was gas and have constantly made sure to outline the differences between ARK and Ethereum.
I believe the Eth model is flawed.
goldenpepe [8:11 PM]
The current ethereum model is flawed
If sharding works then it's going to solve a lot of its issues
(i dont hold any ethereum btw)
arigard [8:12 PM]
At no point have we actually had an updated white paper discussing this question in detail, clearly. It's not on the website and if it is it's buried somewhere in a blog post. The fact these discussions keep cropping up is proof of this.
nukacolaplease [8:12 PM]
I think we don't understand clearly what makes Ark important after the launch of the sidechains, Ark will be only an "exchange token"? The sidechain doesn't need Ark for operating
goldenpepe [8:12 PM]
+1 on needing a new whitepaper
Matthew_DC [8:12 PM]
replied to a thread:
This is a means of centralization of the network. Instead, by utilizing a form of pegged bridge chains, we can maintain a similar effect without creating centralization and reliance on 1 chain for others to properly function.
arkenstone [8:12 PM]
I think these things should be clearly written in a new WB and officially made public and promoted
goldenpepe [8:12 PM]
A new whitepaper would clear up so much FUD
pieface [8:13 PM]
Yeah I think a new WP is needed for sure
arigard [8:13 PM]
So don't start going "Oh everybody knows this, it's clear" Show me where on the front page of the website it tells you how the token mechanics will work in the ecosystem? It's not good it being on some powerpoint on a google drive, or hidden in comments in the slack.
mak [8:13 PM]
I though there wasn't going to be a new whitepaper.
arigard [8:13 PM]
It needs to be clear to investors how it works, exactly.
goldenpepe [8:13 PM]
I agree with arigard here
I only know what I know because I live on slack
Matthew_DC [8:13 PM]
The solutions are still in development and there are always opportunities to continue to adapt the model, that's why I have these conversations and ask for feedback regularly, but the core fundamental belief of how open and free decentralized markets should work most likely won't change.
arkenstone [8:13 PM]
Same here
goldenpepe [8:14 PM]
The vast majority of ark holders have no idea
they just bought bc of the cool red triangle
arigard [8:14 PM]
Stop playing cute, this is people's money you are asking for. So at least give them the benefit of being honest that there is no inherent business model reason why Ark will be necessary in the future.
And let them make their decisions.
roks0n (deadlock) [8:14 PM]
I agree, it took me months of following discussion on slack and digging around reddit to get information
arigard [8:14 PM]
With proper information.
mak [8:14 PM]
replied to a thread:
It's centralizing value onto one chain but doesn't bottleneck the ecosystem so I don't see anything being wrong with that.
Matthew_DC [8:15 PM]
replied to a thread:
I'm not arguing with you and I made a clear post here within the last 2 days that our website messaging is shit and needs completely redone.
If the ARK network is compromised or the consensus mechanism of the ARK main net is compromised then all subsequent networks reliant on that consensus would be compromised as well.
mad4thrash [8:15 PM]
In my opinion Ark's value come from (in the future) the fact that by holding one coin I can interact with every bridgechain plus any ACES services
Matthew_DC [8:16 PM]
So what I am saying is that we have to be cautious of these kinds of decisions and ensure that we aren't inadvertently creating attack vectors to take down partners, businesses, and other industries using the technology.
I'm sorry guys, I have to go, but I would love to continue this conversation on Reddit or here at a later time.
mak [8:16 PM]
"all subsequent networks reliant on that consensus would be compromised as well"
^ Correction: only the VM chain will be compromised since I'm not advocating that all bridgechains should vote on the main chain.
Matthew_DC [8:19 PM]
In an isolated case, if we can map it out and vet the concept, I'm more than happy to hear it out and have the conversation.
Solowatch [8:19 PM]
So I think we can all agree an updated Whitepaper is due
Matthew_DC [8:20 PM]
This is a community project and we are shaping pieces of it together as we continue to build. We have already made changes based on community feedback on many occasions.
So I would love to see someone post a proposal to reddit or even as an AIP at some point that we could discuss.
Jarunik [8:20 PM]
If you write a white paper it will be outdated soon :smile:
Solowatch [8:21 PM]
Well a V2 whitepaper shouldn’t be outdated soon
I don’t care about a V1 or V1.5 whitepaper lol
I want a whitepaper for V2 that’s clearly explaining all these concerns that the community has
arkenstone [8:22 PM]
:this:
Solowatch [8:23 PM]
I wrote a few questions down that I’ll post in here later today that @rob [ Ark Labs ] asked for. Please add to it if I missed anything once I do.
arkenstone [8:23 PM]
And I think now it's the time do it. Present it with full package on mainet launch.. (edited)
Solowatch [8:23 PM]
Or PM and I’ll add them before posting
mak [8:25 PM]
Anyways thanks for listening and responding @Matthew_DC. Some of us have been trying to discuss this with the ark team but didn't get much feedback until today.
arigard [8:25 PM]
Yeah +1
arkenstone [8:28 PM]
Alot of early investors are getting worried
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Cryptocurrency Investors

Hello! My name is Mihail Kudryashev, I am a frontend engineer at Platinum. We are a an international STO/IEO/ICO/POST ICO consulting, promotion and fundraising company with huge experience in STO and ICO marketing and best STO blockchain platform in the world! Learn more about it: Platinum.fund Our company gained popularity after launching the world’s number one online university with only practical knowledge on crypto economics. Now you can learn how to create and develop your own ICO and STO, how to market your campaign and make it super successful. Who are cryptocurrency investors? What drives people to invest in cryptocurrency? Read the extract of the UBAI lesson to get all the answers.
Introduction to the Investors §2
In 2017, the total cryptocurrency market capitalization was approaching $850B which begs the question:
Why are investors turning to cryptocurrencies?
A survey by Blockchain Capital indicated that at least 30% of millennials would rather invest in bitcoin than invest in traditional stocks. Cryptocurrency investors, like traditional investors, expect a return at least proportionate to the risk they take. Due to the fundamental lack of regulation, incredible volatility and astronomical relative risk, many cryptocurrency investors expect to earn meteoric returns. Returns in the ranges of multiples from 200% to 1000%.
Let us first begin by examining the kinds of people who invest in cryptocurrency, and then let’s see the reasons why each of them is investing in this relatively new market.
Types of Investors
The “Newbie” Cryptocurrency Investor
This investor is just starting out. They probably have not had any significant experience in any form of investing before and bitcoin is their first experience. They have heard about people making incredible returns from cryptocurrency investing, or some aspect of the entire blockchain and crypto revolution attracts them, and they decide they want to invest too.
Unfortunately, most of the newbie investors will end up losing their money, primarily because of one specific misconception; they think cryptocurrency investing is an easy way to make huge profits. “ “Types of Investors §2
“Gambler” or “Get Rich Quick” Investor
This is the second class of cryptocurrency investor, and is actually not really an investor at all.
This type of person is out to make a fortune as fast as possible. They will fall for whatever sweet-sounding scheme they hear. They love ideas that promise to double or triple their investment quickly. Like the Newbie, they do not understand how cryptocurrencies work, and they don’t care. The difference between this kind of investor and the successful individual or professional investor is that the gambler does not care about the management of risk, or about the timing of trades.
They place their money on the table, and they hope it will make a good return. They are gambling rather than creating an investment thesis and executing a well-thought out strategy. They might even have an infectious positive attitude, but unfortunately it is not backed by knowledge or the due diligence required to be a successful investor.
A good example of this style of thinking, outside of cryptocurrency, is high yield investment plans (HYIPs) that promise to multiply an investors capital by a certain factor. This is not to say that all HYIP programs are scams, but a good number of them are. Most importantly, the investors who flock into such plans have similar characteristics to that of the Get Rich Quick investor in that they will not take the time to learn about the field in which they are investing. They are just looking for fast money and an overnight success. “ “Types of Investors §3
Short Term Traders (Day/Swing Traders)
Short term traders must, without a doubt, be the most knowledgeable investors if they are going to succeed at their chosen profession. They have, or they should have, studied the art and science of trading more thoroughly than other people. This is the kind of investor who has taken the time to learn about cryptocurrencies and the markets on which they trade. Short term traders create deliberate and timed strategies in an attempt to profit from fast market movements. Maybe many of the short term traders started off as Newbies, but these are the individuals who took the time and effort to learn about the market. They wanted to know what they were doing. These are the people who survived and thrived to grow into the type of trader that they want to be.
Interestingly, the Day Trader does not attach emotion to any given coin. They do not need to believe in the sustainability/whitepapevision/road map, etc. of the project they are buying into at any particular time. They just need to be confident about the direction and timing of the potential price movement of the coin. “ “Types of Investors §4
Long Term Investors/ Hodlers
A great majority of successful cryptocurrency investors can be most properly classified as Long Term Investors, or HODLers in true crypto terminology. These are investors who understand quite a bit about cryptocurrency and blockchain technology and believe in the sustainability of the coins in which they are investing.
Think of the first few investors who bought bitcoin in the early days and years, when it was still deep under the radar for most people. These are the people who believed in the blockchain and cryptocurrency revolution. They didn’t sell their bitcoin for fast profit, although they had many chances to do so. They knew what they were doing, holding for the long term. These early investors and HODLers enjoyed astronomical growth all the way up to 2016 and 2017. But to be a long-term holder despite all the bad news and negative factors surrounding this brand new asset class, they must have really believed that bitcoin and the blockchain were going to change the world. This belief can only be established through study and research about the blockchain industry and the specific currencies and tokens in which you are going to invest.
Follow up and learn more on www.ubai.co!” “Types of Investors §5
Sophisticated/Professional Investors
These are experts in cryptocurrency investing. They most likely have a background in other forms of trading and investing, such as in stocks, bonds or options etc. They may also be earning fees by investing or managing money for other people.
The Iconomi fund managers are a good example. Each Fund Manager manages an array of digital assets. Investors might choose Iconomi because it offers a platform for the investor to allocate funds to specific fund managers, with the ability to swap between managers instantly if the investor desires to do so.
Each fund manager selects a number of coins in which they wish to trade or invest, with specified time horizons, short or long term. Investors can buy into the array of mutually held coins. This allows investors to utilize the knowledge and experience of professional fund managers to trade an allocated pool of capital, hopefully generating returns greater than the individual investor would be able to produce on his own.
The fund managers are motivated by the fees and commissions they earn, and perhaps a performance-linked bonus. You can certainly be properly classified as a Sophisticated Investor without any need to be a fund manager for other peoples’ money. But a professional fund manager has the ability to trade with a larger pool of capital, manage complicated risk, and diversify trading strategy to generate various streams of income. “ “Between Countries
A particular country’s participation in cryptocurrencies largely has to do with the legal regulations about blockchain projects and crypto currency investment in that jurisdiction.
When China banned the use of cryptocurrency, most Chinese nationals had to withdraw their investments. Many other countries have also placed bans on the use or trade of cryptocurrencies. Countries like Japan that have allowed the use of cryptocurrencies have witnessed a significant rise in cryptocurrency investments as a result. Japan and South Korea are home to several high-traffic cryptocurrency exchanges, meaning that a notable proportion of their population is investing in cryptocurrencies.
Another way to look at cryptocurrency investment demographics is to look at the bitcoin ATMs present in each country. The United States of America is the leading country, followed by Canada and then the United Kingdom.
According to a report by Google trends, the five top countries interested in bitcoin are: South Africa, Slovenia, Nigeria, Colombia and Bolivia.
Remember, cryptocurrency demographics can be a little tricky due to the anonymity involved. Many people may be afraid to participate in surveys, especially when their governments have placed legal restrictions on cryptocurrency investing.
The main point the research seems to validate is that the demographics of the cryptocurrency investor base is diverse. While the average investor may be a white or Asian male between the ages of 26-30 with at least a university degree, the entire investor base is so much larger than that. Many big investors are likely to be significantly older, and have connections and businesses in the traditional economy as well. “ “Notable Investors in Cryptocurrency
While many people have made fortunes from cryptocurrency investing, a handful of them stand out as being particularly remarkable. We will take a more detailed look at some of the biggest investment success stories to see how they did it and learn about their investing strategy.
The Winklevoss Twins
After being awarded their settlement from the lawsuit against Facebook, the Winklevoss twins decided to invest a significant portion of their money in Bitcoin. They invested $11million of the $65million they received. At that time, the price of a single bitcoin was about $120.
This high-risk investment paid off handsomely and they became the first publicly known Bitcoin Billionaires, perhaps owning more than 1% of the total bitcoin in circulation. In an interview with Financial Times in 2016, the twins jointly said that they consider “Bitcoin as potentially the greatest social network because it is designed to transfer value over the internet”. They also pointed out that compared to gold, bitcoin has equal or greater foundational traits of scarcity and portability. “ “Notable Investors in Cryptocurrency §2
Michael Novogratz
A self-made billionaire ex-Goldman Sachs investment banker, Novogratz has invested more than 30% of his fortune in cryptocurrency. In 2015, he announced a $500million cryptocurrency hedge fund, including $150million of his own money. Novogratz believes that “the blockchain, the computer code that underpins all cryptocurrencies, will reshape finance, just as the internet reshaped communication”.
The investment thesis of Mr. Novogratz is similar to that of the Winklevoss twins. He has taken and maintains a long-term position while he trades in and out of short term moves, based on his fundamental belief in the potential and likely application of the underlying blockchain technology. By starting an investment fund in addition to his other cryptocurrency related ventures, he is demonstrating a strong fundamental grasp of the technology, including its applicability and impact across so many industries. Slide
Barry Silbert
In December 2014 after the US Marshal’s office seized 50,000 bitcoins from the Silk Road, Barry Silbert purchased just 2,000 of those bitcoins at $350 per coin. A few years later of course, those coins were worth millions of dollars.
Barry is the founder and CEO of the Digital Currency Group (DCG) a cryptocurrency investment firm. Barry also made significant profits from Ethereum Classic, purchasing the coin in its very first days. He has invested in over 75 bitcoin related companies, including CoinDesk. As founder of the Digital Currency Group, Barry endeavors to support bitcoin and blockchain companies and accelerate the development of the global financial system. “ “Directly through Exchanges
Step One: Register on a reputable cryptocurrency exchange
To start investing, you first need to register on a reputable cryptocurrency exchange where you can buy bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Binance is a good exchange to use in this lesson. While it may or may not be the best, it is currently the largest, and they provide a very supportive layout and customer service department.
You should remember, to buy most altcoins (cryptocurrencies other than bitcoin), you specifically need to use an exchange like Coinbase or Kraken that allows you to convert fiat currency into cryptocurrency. From there, if you want to trade altcoins not listed on that exchange, you will have to transfer your BTC or ETH to a larger exchange like Binance, and buy the altcoin you want, using whichever trading pair that is best suited (BTC and ETH pairs are most common).
As we have already explained, if you are buying Bitcoin or any cryptocurrencies, you should invest in a wallet to safely store your coins. It is not advisable to store your BTC or other crypto on the exchanges for too long, due to hacking and other risks. “ “Directly through Exchanges
Step Two: Determine your Strategy
There are different ways to invest. You need to find a strategy that works for you and your specific set of skills. The value of a cryptocurrency is not defined by a formula or something out a textbook. If everyone was able to calculate the actual value of a share of stock, for example, or a bond, or other tradeable asset, then the price on an open market exchange would never move. Buyers and sellers would know exactly how much the asset is worth, so there would be no reason to sell lower or buy higher than the actual value.
You need to come up with your own ideas and strategies to take advantage of market moves. Sometimes you will have a position that is contrary to the general market. Other times you might be trading in agreement with a majority of other market participants. Investors are basically separable into one of two groups of thinkers. Contrarian investors go against the crowd, swimming against the current; Momentum investors ride the wave feeling secure in the majority. Being different can be good or it can be bad. You do not always want to necessarily get caught up in the most crowded trade. “ “Things to keep in Mind
Bitcoin Futures
We need to mention the bitcoin futures market as another potential way to invest. Toward the close of 2017, Bitcoin started trading on two fully recognized and well-established futures markets; the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange CME.
The key quote from the exchanges was “because the futures can be traded on regulated markets, it will attract investors, making the market liquid, stabilizing prices and it will not suffer from low transaction speeds of Bitcoin Exchanges.”
For a risk averse investor, this offers a safer entry into cryptocurrency investing. A futures contract commits its owner to buy or sell the underlying asset, BTC, at a set price, and at a set date in the future. The investor in the futures contract does not actually own the underlying asset, but rather is trading on fluctuations in the price of the asset over a certain timeframe, as specified in the futures contract. “ “Things to keep in Mind §2
Common Pitfalls We cannot conclude this lesson without one more look at the common pitfalls a new cryptocurrency investor should avoid.
The problem areas are: -Falling for scams by failing to carry out due diligence. -Relying solely upon self-acclaimed crypto gurus and experts. If you want to trade, you must understand how to read news and charts for yourself. -Too much Greed. Not taking profit when you should. It is better to take a 20% gain, than wait for a 100% gain, only to lose it all in the end. -Lacking an investment strategy or exit plan. -Not sticking to your investment plan or strategy. -Allowing emotions to rule your decisions. Chasing your losses. -Investing what you cannot afford to lose.
And finally, some time-tested wisdom from Wall Street: Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs get slaughtered every time. (Don’t be greedy!)
We cannot overemphasize the risk involved in cryptocurrency investing. The potential to make huge gains over a short period of time does not come without risk. There is no doubt that significant players in the global financial markets are entering the cryptocurrency markets too. We are likely to witness more and more government authorities trying to regulate cryptocurrencies, hopefully to the overall benefit of a healthy market. It seems safe to say we will see cryptocurrencies become more mainstream due to the intense interest from the traditional financial industry and institutional investing community all over the world. What are better ways to successfully invest in cryptocurrencies? Which pitfalls should you avoid? Learn all on successful ICOs and STOs after reading the full lesson: UBAI.co How to start your STO/ICO campaign in 2019? Contact me via Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn to know more about our education: Facebook LinkedIn Instagram
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Subreddit Stats: NewYorkCoin posts from 2017-07-24 to 2018-04-09 09:00 PDT

Period: 258.76 days
Submissions Comments
Total 543 3256
Rate (per day) 2.10 12.57
Unique Redditors 205 474
Combined Score 3835 6264

Top Submitters' Top Submissions

  1. 1067 points, 120 submissions: hivewalletvictim
    1. Welcome Pro Snowboarder Jeff Sponzo to TEAM NYC! NewYorkCoin (NYC) has sponsored professional snowboarder Jeff Sponzo (instagram: @sp0nzo) Wish Jeff luck! He's competing in Oslo, Norway and spreading the word about NYC on his world tour!!! (33 points, 6 comments)
    2. An exhaustive email explaining NYC "roadmap" to the 'hype and scam' crowd. PLEASE READ. (31 points, 59 comments)
    3. 1,000,000 NYC BOUNTIES for every new retail/storefront business YOU get to accept NewYorkCoin in New York City. Business owner downloads Coinomi Wallet (beta) from link at newyorkcoin.net and prints their QR code for customers to pay! Business owner receives 1,000,000 NYC too! (27 points, 11 comments)
    4. Gila's Nosh | 23rd Street NOW ACCEPTS NYC! (24 points, 7 comments)
    5. LEASE NEGOTIATIONS IN PROCESS FOR AN AMAZING GALLERY SPACE IN LOWER EAST SIDE, MANHATTAN! THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER WILL BE OPENING SOON IN MANHATTAN. (24 points, 18 comments)
    6. 3 new businesses NOW ACCEPT @NewYorkCoinNYC ! Eqwipped Entertainment Recording Studio | Greenpoint, Brooklyn, An Nails Salon | Orlando, FL, Khameleon Koatings | Brattleboro, VT. newyorkcoin.net/#real (23 points, 6 comments)
    7. Another new business ACCEPTING NYC in Manhattan! Welcome the NYC Falafel Co of the Lower East Side to TEAM NYC. Merchant acceptance of NYC is starting to gain momentum... (20 points, 7 comments)
    8. NYC NOW ACCEPTED AT 14 BUSINESSES (and growing!). Welcome Paul Zepeda Gallery and Grown Fresh NYC to TEAM NYC. (19 points, 0 comments)
    9. Centre Finest Deli | New York, NY | Bitcoin ATM location | Now Supports NewYorkCoin | Acceptance Coming Soon (18 points, 4 comments)
    10. NYC Electrum-X now on github! Pull request also made to the original project: https://github.com/kyuupichan/electrumx/pull/354, once it's accepted it will be included in the master branch of electrum-x. Tip Coinomi devs! (18 points, 9 comments)
  2. 215 points, 27 submissions: Tnyc2477
    1. Calm (15 points, 10 comments)
    2. NewYorkCoin is on coinomi wallet. Coinomi is a security-first multi-asset wallet that provides native support and true ownership for 96 coins and 244 tokens, for a total of total of 340 coins and tokens, available in 168 fiat currency representations and 25 languages. (15 points, 14 comments)
    3. One special pitch for our coin to one special exchange (14 points, 10 comments)
    4. So You Want to Own Some NewYorkCoin (NYC) But Don’t Know Where to Start! Here is an Easy Guide for Beginners (14 points, 3 comments)
    5. That Perfect, Rich Exchange Everyone Needs (13 points, 7 comments)
    6. NYC Discord 2nd Meeting 1-24-2018.mp4 - Google Drive (12 points, 5 comments)
    7. Analysis of The Institutional Money On NewYorkCoin and What Our Main Objective Really Is (11 points, 7 comments)
    8. Looks a bit more crowded there on the list of Markets to trade NYC :-) (11 points, 2 comments)
    9. Please also join us at nycoincommunity for important posts from dev team. Thank you. (11 points, 20 comments)
    10. For Newly Joined Community Memebers (10 points, 0 comments)
  3. 150 points, 12 submissions: jamesburrell2
    1. Wall Street Journal article about NewYorkCoin (35 points, 25 comments)
    2. NewYorkCoin featured in Crains NewYork magazine (21 points, 5 comments)
    3. ***MUST READ FOR NEWBIES (NOOBS) trying to understanding what NewYorkCoin and other cryptocurrencies are (and are not). Very easy to read and written by a top player in the cryptocurrency space. (14 points, 2 comments)
    4. Great arguments for why NewYorkCoin's code is better for P2P micropayments than Bitcoin (14 points, 1 comment)
    5. My analogy for the early growing community of NewYorkCoin enthusiasts (NewYorkCoin is the abandoned cars and the garage is the bottom of CoinMarketCap) (13 points, 3 comments)
    6. NewYorkCoin is a technological improvement for informal value transfer systems and local currencies (12 points, 1 comment)
    7. A reminder of Bitcoin's price trajectory and potential trajectory for NewYorkCoin enthusiasts (10 points, 0 comments)
    8. YouTube user Coinreview was pretty early in identifying the promise of NewYorkCoin. (9 points, 0 comments)
    9. Good article why the NewYorkCoin community shouldn't judge the value of the coin by marketcap alone (8 points, 0 comments)
    10. Good video by the LitePay CEO (5 points, 0 comments)
  4. 129 points, 11 submissions: nodecache
    1. A New York Coin Development Vision: How BTC could be 'powered by NYC' via Lightning Network (20 points, 27 comments)
    2. Fast 'n Free Forever: an inflationary vision for a Proof of Stake New York Coin (19 points, 13 comments)
    3. Ask shapeshift and changelly to add NYC now that we're on Coinomi (18 points, 9 comments)
    4. BTC: powered by NYC - 1.1 Million NYC bounty raised for Segwit implementation (11 points, 29 comments)
    5. Requested NYC on Polo today, where are you requesting it? (11 points, 8 comments)
    6. 250,000 NYC Bounty to developer(s) to implement Segwit w/ intent to make NYC a BTC cash layer (10 points, 49 comments)
    7. Bounty update: Segwit/Lightning on NYC Roadmap (10 points, 6 comments)
    8. Alternative rebrand concept for a real artist to alter (9 points, 3 comments)
    9. Donation Address for Segwit Bounty: RGpAYLk2CtsLvBQBENQyNUhJyF8QH2zC53 (8 points, 30 comments)
    10. NYC is Checking Account to Bitcoin's Savings Account (7 points, 10 comments)
  5. 115 points, 13 submissions: gopes11
    1. Found this gem in one of the earlier posts. A lot of Great reads btw.. this guy nailed NYC (19 points, 0 comments)
    2. NYC VALUE (18 points, 1 comment)
    3. Only way NYC will go big is if we as a community come together and make it big. It’s not magic, we are investors and it is our duty to help this coin grow so developers have enough resources to further the project. (18 points, 9 comments)
    4. More exchanges is the solution (14 points, 6 comments)
    5. Dallas Mavericks announced they will accept Cryptocurrency next season.. (13 points, 3 comments)
    6. NYC ATMs (6 points, 3 comments)
    7. Reducing the supply (6 points, 2 comments)
    8. Did anyone meet up yesterday? (5 points, 5 comments)
    9. What is the next step and how can we help? (5 points, 1 comment)
    10. Go vote. Get our name out there (4 points, 0 comments)
  6. 95 points, 7 submissions: kyguy17
    1. Please vote for NYC to go on more exchanges (18 points, 13 comments)
    2. Adding NYC to tradesatoshi.com (17 points, 12 comments)
    3. Trade satoshi (16 points, 11 comments)
    4. We are accepted in Trade satoshi but (16 points, 3 comments)
    5. Added another exchange! This will be number four if we can pull it off. (15 points, 17 comments)
    6. Great job everybody that donated! I want to thank everyone for that and I want to personally thank everyone that trusted me on handling the funds. (10 points, 4 comments)
    7. Why did coinomi delist NYCoin? (3 points, 26 comments)
  7. 74 points, 15 submissions: dynamicmormon
    1. A new business accepts the New York Coin. Here the link: http://www.extravagantllc.com/ (14 points, 1 comment)
    2. New acceptance of New York coin found the community website. Please look there. There is an artist mentioned. (11 points, 0 comments)
    3. Cryptonator (8 points, 0 comments)
    4. I saw something that shows the Coins gets international (8 points, 3 comments)
    5. Crex24 (7 points, 3 comments)
    6. A question about New York Coin (4 points, 12 comments)
    7. A further press report found (3 points, 1 comment)
    8. Fork (3 points, 2 comments)
    9. How are the experiences with the New York Coin Center? (3 points, 45 comments)
    10. Huobi (3 points, 0 comments)
  8. 74 points, 9 submissions: NYCoinIsTheFuture
    1. NYC Website (16 points, 18 comments)
    2. It is imperative we get this coin on SEVERAL different exchanges (11 points, 7 comments)
    3. For whomever wins the website contest (10 points, 2 comments)
    4. One last request, could we please somehow remove the scam-like all caps description under the Google search page, something as simple as New York Coin (NYC) would be good. It just doesn't feel very professional, I'm sure others agree. (9 points, 2 comments)
    5. More exchanges - stay hungry. (8 points, 3 comments)
    6. NewYorkCoin price predictions? Expectations for 2018? (7 points, 5 comments)
    7. Website Contest (7 points, 14 comments)
    8. Which website are we going with??? (4 points, 6 comments)
    9. NYC PREDICTIONS (2 points, 3 comments)
  9. 69 points, 19 submissions: NewYorkCoin
    1. THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER (12 points, 3 comments)
    2. NYC (24hr) trading volume passing $1m!!! Coinmarketcap is fixing bug that is stopping updating of volume. All markets offline at coinmarketcap. NYC TRADING VOLUME IS EXPLODING!!! (10 points, 4 comments)
    3. WIN 1,000,000 NYC! (7 points, 5 comments)
    4. newyorkcoin.net is now multi-lingual ! NYC in 17 most popular languages. Links at bottom of homepage. 1/2 on left side now completed, the rest will be live by end of weekend (7 points, 7 comments)
    5. NYC IS STARTING TO MOVE!!! NewYorkCoin getting ready to break into TOP 300 at coinmarketcap. BUY NYC AT YOBIT! Coinomi in December. NYC ATM's in January. NEW YORK COIN CENTER coming in 2018! (5 points, 0 comments)
    6. $30,000 trading volume now. And climbing... Will NYC break $50,000/day for the first time EVER soon... P.S. This is BEFORE Coinomi adds NYC! (3 points, 1 comment)
    7. MEET NEW YORK COIN (NYC) (3 points, 0 comments)
    8. THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER is looking better and better by the day! (3 points, 3 comments)
    9. Can you find any more NYC cheapies under 0.00004? Are those gone forever? Next cheapies to disappear 0.00005. My prediction is that by end of this weekend, the CHEAPEST NYC you can ever buy again will be 0.00008 (maybe higher!) nycoin.net (2 points, 2 comments)
    10. FIND NEW YORK COIN AT 2017 MACY*S THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE! (2 points, 4 comments)
  10. 63 points, 4 submissions: throwawayhey1234w
    1. New website idea. The so called creator is absent from this, i can help with the website, we still need to get the blockchain working, rumbles of others workign on this but i think IF we want to drag this back from the dead we need to start reviving. (23 points, 29 comments)
    2. Nice Video For This Coin (21 points, 3 comments)
    3. Update on website, more pages. Now accpeting donations of new york coin so i can just keep powering through: REWEc7pAqxgD249pVm9aKBSaQU5nwzWhms (16 points, 9 comments)
    4. I am buying all in! (3 points, 4 comments)
  11. 61 points, 12 submissions: modoromodo
    1. Good job Newyorkcoin Team very interesting (28 points, 0 comments)
    2. NEW YORK COIN (NYC) PRICE LIVE, CRYPTOCURRENCY, NEWS, WIKI, PREDICTION (7 points, 4 comments)
    3. Who think nyc will make 0.01 soon (6 points, 6 comments)
    4. What are the best expectations for 2018 (5 points, 2 comments)
    5. NYC next year in top 10 ( very possible ) (4 points, 4 comments)
    6. SOON IN THE MOON (3 points, 0 comments)
    7. Is there news about ATMS (2 points, 2 comments)
    8. NEED MOR EXCHANGES FOR THIS COIN LIKE CRYPTOPIA . BINANCE . BITREX (2 points, 1 comment)
    9. New york coin in stocktwits (2 points, 1 comment)
    10. . (1 point, 1 comment)
  12. 53 points, 6 submissions: zer0san
    1. Reddit Banner & Marketing (17 points, 19 comments)
    2. New Variation: When needed I can make specific infographics for the website. (11 points, 5 comments)
    3. NYC Infographic Design for fun — Composition stolen from Sia ;) (8 points, 6 comments)
    4. New York Coin Reddit banner W.I.P (7 points, 13 comments)
    5. Plans for 2017/ Road map?? (7 points, 3 comments)
    6. Wanted to say Hi (3 points, 1 comment)
  13. 50 points, 4 submissions: ASSBORDERLINE
    1. COINOMI To add NYC In next update You can test NYC in there Beta App! (14 points, 2 comments)
    2. Just Bought 29 Million NYC (13 points, 14 comments)
    3. Reason Why NYC Rising & Brief History (13 points, 6 comments)
    4. ATM Coming very soon 😅 (10 points, 3 comments)
  14. 50 points, 4 submissions: CoinmaticNYC
    1. WISH US LUCK (ARTICLE ON CNBC REQUESTED)!!! (15 points, 7 comments)
    2. PLEAE READ!!! (14 points, 10 comments)
    3. FACEBOOK PAGE UPDATE (12 points, 1 comment)
    4. Quick maths bruv (9 points, 10 comments)
  15. 47 points, 7 submissions: lCyberneticl
    1. What do you all think? Anyone working on logo/graphics/advertising (20 points, 7 comments)
    2. Go NYC! (8 points, 0 comments)
    3. NYC (7 points, 1 comment)
    4. Work in progress! (5 points, 2 comments)
    5. My contribution to the website contest (3 points, 0 comments)
    6. Just an idea (2 points, 1 comment)
    7. NYC (2 points, 1 comment)
  16. 40 points, 1 submission: RealWorldCoins
    1. BREAKING NEWS! CNBC producer was at KEATS restaurant to video the first ever retail transaction using cryptocurrency, NY Coin.....This story is still developing and air date has not been disclosed. NY Coin is supposedly 20x faster than Bitcoin and does not have any fees. (40 points, 20 comments)
  17. 39 points, 5 submissions: NYC_NewYorkCoin
    1. If anyone can contact this place La Sirene in Manhattan, Im sure they will place the NYC sticker up (14 points, 6 comments)
    2. NYC New York Coin is now actively trading on Tradesatoshi.com Congrat's all. (8 points, 2 comments)
    3. NYC New York Coin This must be the coin!! (7 points, 0 comments)
    4. Picked up some more NYCoin! Lets Hope for the Best! NYC Coin 20X faster than Bitcoin NYC is simply more usable than Bitcoin. NYC is 20X faster to send, receive & confirm transactions. And 5X faster than Litecoin. NYC is much cheaper to use than Bitcoin or Litecoin. Actually, it's free! (7 points, 4 comments)
    5. New York Coin ,New York Coin, Start spreading the news You're leaving today Your vagabond shoes, they are longing to stray And steps around the heart of it, New York, New York -New York Frank Sinatra (3 points, 1 comment)
  18. 36 points, 4 submissions: nicovs_be
    1. ElectrumX and Electrum-NYC wallet by the newyorkcoin community (14 points, 0 comments)
    2. There's the 1st 2SAT NYC sells ever (11 points, 1 comment)
    3. KEATSBAR confirmation is now on the site (7 points, 5 comments)
    4. NYCoin Core Wallet Block data Download (Data up to date up to Jan 7th 9PM) (4 points, 5 comments)
  19. 35 points, 4 submissions: TweeknTekneek
    1. I bought in newyorkcoin !!! (15 points, 34 comments)
    2. I hope one day NYC coins are soo common, that they become the new digital coin for parking meters! (10 points, 0 comments)
    3. If and when NYC hits $0.01 - $0.10 (5 points, 8 comments)
    4. What is the best Walter for NYC? (5 points, 3 comments)
  20. 34 points, 5 submissions: fionaman
    1. Binance is Possible... (16 points, 7 comments)
    2. Will NYC make us millionaires? (8 points, 8 comments)
    3. We should try to get NYC on Coin Exchange (5 points, 2 comments)
    4. Lescovex vote - NYC #3 & "under consideration (3 points, 3 comments)
    5. Why is the total supply increasing? (2 points, 5 comments)

Top Commenters

  1. hivewalletvictim (611 points, 343 comments)
  2. Tnyc2477 (367 points, 171 comments)
  3. nodecache (340 points, 131 comments)
  4. dwilkes827 (168 points, 75 comments)
  5. nicovs_be (166 points, 74 comments)
  6. cryptonyxx (153 points, 62 comments)
  7. mariusadrian2103 (132 points, 42 comments)
  8. JohnSewards (122 points, 53 comments)
  9. zer0san (118 points, 48 comments)
  10. GiorgosK (110 points, 104 comments)
  11. kuch167 (102 points, 37 comments)
  12. jamesburrell2 (99 points, 39 comments)
  13. polkaberries (92 points, 47 comments)
  14. CoinmaticNYC (92 points, 32 comments)
  15. yarikd (90 points, 45 comments)
  16. GU1TARW0RLD- (69 points, 42 comments)
  17. kyguy17 (57 points, 21 comments)
  18. dynamicmormon (54 points, 30 comments)
  19. NewyorkCoinFrance (53 points, 21 comments)
  20. TweeknTekneek (52 points, 32 comments)

Top Submissions

  1. BREAKING NEWS! CNBC producer was at KEATS restaurant to video the first ever retail transaction using cryptocurrency, NY Coin.....This story is still developing and air date has not been disclosed. NY Coin is supposedly 20x faster than Bitcoin and does not have any fees. by RealWorldCoins (40 points, 20 comments)
  2. Wall Street Journal article about NewYorkCoin by jamesburrell2 (35 points, 25 comments)
  3. Welcome Pro Snowboarder Jeff Sponzo to TEAM NYC! NewYorkCoin (NYC) has sponsored professional snowboarder Jeff Sponzo (instagram: @sp0nzo) Wish Jeff luck! He's competing in Oslo, Norway and spreading the word about NYC on his world tour!!! by hivewalletvictim (33 points, 6 comments)
  4. An exhaustive email explaining NYC "roadmap" to the 'hype and scam' crowd. PLEASE READ. by hivewalletvictim (31 points, 59 comments)
  5. Good job Newyorkcoin Team very interesting by modoromodo (28 points, 0 comments)
  6. 1,000,000 NYC BOUNTIES for every new retail/storefront business YOU get to accept NewYorkCoin in New York City. Business owner downloads Coinomi Wallet (beta) from link at newyorkcoin.net and prints their QR code for customers to pay! Business owner receives 1,000,000 NYC too! by hivewalletvictim (27 points, 11 comments)
  7. Who is applying and sending in the info the exchanges require to get added ? Ill do it and pay the fees they require if someone will give me permission and materials I request. I’ll pay the fees as well they range $5000 to 20,000. Exchanges want money it’s that simple. by earthfunds (26 points, 10 comments)
  8. Logo Idea by shotxchance (25 points, 18 comments)
  9. LEASE NEGOTIATIONS IN PROCESS FOR AN AMAZING GALLERY SPACE IN LOWER EAST SIDE, MANHATTAN! THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER WILL BE OPENING SOON IN MANHATTAN. by hivewalletvictim (24 points, 18 comments)
  10. Gila's Nosh | 23rd Street NOW ACCEPTS NYC! by hivewalletvictim (24 points, 7 comments)

Top Comments

  1. 14 points: deleted's comment in LEASE NEGOTIATIONS IN PROCESS FOR AN AMAZING GALLERY SPACE IN LOWER EAST SIDE, MANHATTAN! THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER WILL BE OPENING SOON IN MANHATTAN.
  2. 12 points: hivewalletvictim's comment in An exhaustive email explaining NYC "roadmap" to the 'hype and scam' crowd. PLEASE READ.
  3. 12 points: yarikd's comment in dkbigmoney = Charlie K
  4. 11 points: zer0san's comment in Reddit Banner & Marketing
  5. 10 points: deleted's comment in I dreamt that NYC coin becomes #1 last night.
  6. 10 points: deleted's comment in LEASE NEGOTIATIONS IN PROCESS FOR AN AMAZING GALLERY SPACE IN LOWER EAST SIDE, MANHATTAN! THE NEW YORK COIN CENTER WILL BE OPENING SOON IN MANHATTAN.
  7. 10 points: bshaw2019's comment in Please release regular wallet updates and show that you are actually doing SOMETHING in terms of development.
  8. 10 points: jamesburrell2's comment in Wall Street Journal article about NewYorkCoin
  9. 10 points: nodecache's comment in Web page
  10. 9 points: 3mar7's comment in In an unbiased and honest opinion, what do you guys see this coin reaching in 1-2 years?
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